Ian Altman discusses common mistakes in procurement, emphasizing the importance of not commoditizing oneself. He advises vendors to focus on what's in the customer's best interest rather than succumbing to unrealistic demands for line item pricing and cost disclosure. Altman suggests engaging with line-of-business people to understand client needs and past experiences, which can help tailor services to achieve better outcomes. He recommends shifting the focus from price to results by discussing long-term success metrics with clients. Vendors should articulate their value proposition and be prepared to negotiate based on overall solutions rather than individual items.
Ian, welcome to the same side selling podcast. I am
Ian Altman:your host. Ian Altman. On this episode, I want to talk about
Ian Altman:procurement and how people deal with procurement and some of the
Ian Altman:biggest mistakes that they make, and what you can do instead. So
Ian Altman:during one of our live coaching sessions in our same side
Ian Altman:selling Academy, someone brought up this notion, and they said,
Ian Altman:Look, I'm dealing with procurement. I gave them some
Ian Altman:different suggestions to handle. And they said, well, we can't do
Ian Altman:that because their procurement people insist that we do things
Ian Altman:a certain way. They insist that we give them line item pricing.
Ian Altman:They insist that we tell them what our cost is so we can
Ian Altman:justify why we're charging more. And the question I asked was
Ian Altman:this. I said, So, so what are the things that are non
Ian Altman:negotiable from your perspective as a vendor, as a supplier, as a
Ian Altman:seller, what are the things that you demand? And they said, Well,
Ian Altman:what do you mean? I said, Well, so what you just told me is you
Ian Altman:have to provide line item pricing for every single item,
Ian Altman:and you have to disclose your cost basis for each of those
Ian Altman:things. Presumably, they also need to know your shoe size,
Ian Altman:your inseam, whether or not you dye your hair, and when's the
Ian Altman:last time you had a physical examination? Because if we can
Ian Altman:let our customer make unrealistic demands, then there
Ian Altman:must be no limit to what demands they can actually request. But
Ian Altman:instead, what if we start thinking about what is in our
Ian Altman:customer's best interest? So if we allow ourselves to be
Ian Altman:commoditized, then we could easily say, look, here are a
Ian Altman:bunch of line items, and here's what I charge for each one, and
Ian Altman:here's how much profit I make for each one. And now our our
Ian Altman:customer, their procurement people, in essence, now dictate
Ian Altman:what your profit margin can be and what your value might be.
Ian Altman:That's a trap. It's a mistake, and that puts you into the role
Ian Altman:of an order taker, not as a subject matter expert. So the
Ian Altman:first thing is that we can't get into this situation where we
Ian Altman:accept unrealistic demands from our clients or prospects,
Ian Altman:especially from their procurement people. The second
Ian Altman:thing is that people will say, Oh, and here are the rules. You
Ian Altman:have to follow our rules. Well, that's fine. Those are their
Ian Altman:rules for procurement. But what are this? What's the structure
Ian Altman:that you suggest to your clients that helps them achieve the
Ian Altman:greatest results overall? Well, that's a totally different
Ian Altman:discussion. So how do we do that? Well, early on with we
Ian Altman:want to engage the line of business people. And if you
Ian Altman:start with procurement, you might say, look, here are some
Ian Altman:things that we look at that really dictate success with our
Ian Altman:clients. We want to understand how they're going to use this
Ian Altman:what's worked and hasn't worked in the past, because it might be
Ian Altman:that our organization would just replicate the same mistakes you
Ian Altman:had in the past, or there might be things that we would do
Ian Altman:differently to give you a better outcome. But if we can't
Ian Altman:understand those, there's a chance you could spend money
Ian Altman:with us and not get a great result. How could we engage
Ian Altman:these other people to make sure that what we're doing is
Ian Altman:actually going to move the needle? Otherwise, you're better
Ian Altman:off just using whoever used in the past. More than half the
Ian Altman:time, the procurement people are going to say, No, we can't do
Ian Altman:that. And the reason why is they already have a preferred vendor,
Ian Altman:and it's not you, but a subset of the time they're going to
Ian Altman:say, Oh yeah, that makes a lot of sense, which now shows that
Ian Altman:they actually might have a genuine interest in what it is
Ian Altman:that you do. Now we want to start articulating what those
Ian Altman:things are, what matters to your client, what would you measure
Ian Altman:for success? What worked well and didn't work well in the
Ian Altman:past? What do they wish they would change? And that allows us
Ian Altman:to now focus on the things that could be the differentiators for
Ian Altman:your business compared to what they've experienced in the past.
Ian Altman:Let's think of it this way, if you're 5% cheaper, but your
Ian Altman:client doesn't have a good outcome? Was it a good deal? The
Ian Altman:answer is no, it wasn't a good deal if they don't get a good
Ian Altman:outcome. So we need to shift the focus from price to results. So
Ian Altman:how do we do that?
Ian Altman:Well, it's simple. We ask questions like, just because you
Ian Altman:spend money with us doesn't mean we're successful. What would you
Ian Altman:and I measure together six months down the road, a year
Ian Altman:down the road, to know that we're successful? And they'll
Ian Altman:give you an answer that question and then say, Okay, so let's say
Ian Altman:we did everything we said we would do what might prevent you
Ian Altman:from getting those results down the road. And they'll use. You
Ian Altman:identify their own deficiencies, in which case you might have
Ian Altman:services that would complement or overcome those deficiencies.
Ian Altman:Now, when procurement comes back to you and says, Well, I need to
Ian Altman:get a line item of every single thing, you might come back to
Ian Altman:them and say, look, here's what you said. You're going to
Ian Altman:measure for success. That's what we want to be held accountable
Ian Altman:for. So if you want us to be the single point of accountability,
Ian Altman:then delivering all of these products and these services
Ian Altman:together and delivering those results, here's what the cost
Ian Altman:is. Now I will give you line item pricing for every single
Ian Altman:thing on there, which I'll probably list the retail pricing
Ian Altman:for everything, and the combination of all those is
Ian Altman:going to be less. So it might be that I, with you, listed
Ian Altman:everything individually. It might total $200,000 you might
Ian Altman:tell the client, if you do all this through us, it's $175,000
Ian Altman:and procurement might say, Well, how's that broken down? Say,
Ian Altman:Look, if you want, you can say it's 175,000 or $174,900 for all
Ian Altman:the product and it's $100 for the services, or you can flip it
Ian Altman:the other way. Really doesn't matter, but if we're ultimately
Ian Altman:accountable, we're going to be accountable for the whole thing
Ian Altman:at that rate. And what you're doing is you're showing that
Ian Altman:you're really buying the solution, not just the items.
Ian Altman:Now you might get a client who truly is coming to you just to
Ian Altman:buy commoditized items. They're just trying to buy widgets from
Ian Altman:you. Now you have to decide, are you okay selling based on price?
Ian Altman:Because if you don't provide any services, if you don't provide
Ian Altman:any differentiation, then why would they pay more with you
Ian Altman:than with somebody else? So when you get in that situation where
Ian Altman:your client says, oh, here are the rules that we have, what you
Ian Altman:want to counter with is, here's the path that we have found
Ian Altman:drives the greatest results for our clients. How do we need to
Ian Altman:adapt that for your purposes? So their non negotiable was, here's
Ian Altman:the way we want to buy stuff, and your non negotiable is,
Ian Altman:here's the way we deliver success. And now let's have a
Ian Altman:discussion about how we need to modify our formula for success
Ian Altman:to fit the way you want to buy. And more often than not, your
Ian Altman:client will come around to see that the way you're approaching
Ian Altman:things for success is actually in your mutual best interest.
Ian Altman:There are topics you'd like me to cover. Just drop me a note to
Ian Altman:Ian at Ian altman.com I'll see you on the next episode of the
Ian Altman:same side selling podcast. So long you.


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